POSTINGS  FOR JANUARY 2003

After fitting an undertail on the bike I have hated the slabby hugger. I even went to sell it on the site. I decided to take the Dremill to it this afternoon and I think it look much better. Kev

Looks like a big improvement to me. I'm looking for a hugger myself at the moment and I can't find anything I like except the Suzuki one, but I'm not paying their price for it.

John well done with the site, I hope you can use this item if not let me know and i'll let people e-mail me for it Paul(Milky)

I've added this item to the Articles section - Torquey Tours. I've had a quick read and enjoyed it, so I though you might too. 

Hi John Attached is a sketch of the Internals showing my modification. After cutting the end off I removed the small pipe left in the end with a 2" holesaw and welded the 2" pipe straight in, Making sure that I left It 1/2" shorter than the baffle plate. The drawing Isn't perfectly to scale but a close representation. Let me know If It isn't clear enough. Kind Regards Graham Pearce, Oz

Just to explain. This relates to a thread on the forum (general board I think). Gareth drilled a hole into his standard end can in order to improve the sound. Instead it made it worse. So rather than throw the can away and buy a new one, he took it apart and made some changes, which got him the sound he wanted. I can't remember the thread number off the top of my head

(See Jan 16th) I've just been and measured it. (voltages - not what you were thinking) The R/Black is short (well 10 ohms anyway) to ground in 2nd gear, the G/Blue is short to ground in 3rd gear. I didn't bother measuring the other gears, judging by the voltage measurements I'd say that they were all open circuit. So I'd guess that it's not possible to build any wizzy variable retard circuitry. You could use these lines to add 2nd and 3rd gear lights to the dashboard. Find a 12V line that comes after the ignition switch (e.g. the live side of the horn) and run that to the lamps, then the other side of the lamps to the R/Bk & G/Bu wires. Either use small incandescent lamps or LEDs with 470 ohm resistors.

I asked if John had a web address for the mirrors mentioned below. Yes, they're on www.carbontek.co.uk  The mirrors are universal, so aren't a direct replacement, but as you can see from the pictures, do a damn fine job of looking good.

Hi John ... I was trying to find out if I could get a manual for the SV650, and all that seems to be listed is the stock Suzuki workshop manual. I have since discovered that CLYMER have now produced a manual ISBN 0-89287-803-7 and wondered if you'd like to post this somewhere on the site. All the best ... Barry (B12, SV650S, GS1000 (in bits)) Barry W Christie. Software Design Engineer. Linn Products Limited 

Thanks Barry. See also Dec17th 2002 in Archives for a place to purchase.

Hi John Thought it was about time Thumper graced the image libraries. Cosmetically she's got a Fabbri dark tint double bubble screen, flush mount indicators, a 2-wheel junkie front mudguard and Suzuki lowers with a sticker made up by a local sign shop. The (tested!) crash protectors are from JHS, and the undertray and seat cowl are Powerbronze. The undertray forced the removal of the Powerbronze hugger due to fouling, and replacement with a Pyramid Plastics version which I prefer anyway. The can is a Scorpion joined to Micron front pipes. Footrest riser plates are also from JHS. There are quite a few mods under the skin too - details of these can be found on my website at www.mbrads.co.uk . Cheers, Mark

Hello John You probably know but your many visitors might not!!! The Haynes manual for the SV is now available covering '99 to '02 models. I've got plenty of stock! Regards Sarah (of the cool blue SV fame!!) BanditMania 31 Tentercroft Street Lincoln Lincs LN5 7DB United Kingdom www.banditmania.co.uk  

I've asked Sarah for prices.

I've just seen your message on www.sv650.org about the gearbox wiring. I guess that the igniter electronics (or at least, the logic part of it) runs on 5V, most computer stuff does (5.3V is close enough). It also gives the circuit a chance to regulate the noisy, spikey, only nominally 12V supply down to a nice clean 5V. I'd have to have an igniter box to take apart and trace the circuit to be sure. Maybe someone has a knackered one they'd be willing to donate? (it'd be fun if the thing was full of 74 series TTL chips and an EPROM) I'm surprised by the 2.6V reading, I'd have expected that to be 5V. At the weekend I'll measure the resistance to ground of those two wires. I'd expect them to be switches, either short to ground or off. If anyone would like to donate a dead igniter to Ian then contact him on the email above.

Hi Just thought I'd send you my latest picture of my SV.....nice! Regards Sarah Burton.

Dead right, it's gorgeous. Polished forks look the biz don't they. I see, like me, you've removed the front exhausts studs and replaced them with bolts, looks much tidier.

Hi John, love the site, I've gleaned countless useful nuggets of information from it, so I hope my latest purchase will be of interest to the regulars. Pictured are a pair of mirrors with discreet indicators in them. (Bought mail order from Carbon Tek for £50.99 all in) They're considerably smaller than stock, but rear vision isn't completely compromised. They mounted easily with only two small holes required for the wiring, and using the original rubber mounts they're blur-free at speed. Gets rid of the giant stock indicators that threaten to punch a hole in the fairing if you drop it, too. I've blanked off the old holes with 2001 Vauxhall Corsa side repeaters. (Not wired in yet, but soon to connected to the side lights) John Wallman Thanks for this John. I haven't seen these before. I can see from your email address why you chose Corsa repeaters ;-)

G'day John, Re the 'Retarder' issue, I gave Steve George's suggestion a fly and thought I could in fact detect a difference but I was initially a bit worried that such impressions might be the result of twisting the wrist just that little bit more. Then I've gone off on a tangent, it occurred to me that I could maybe use the signal wires for second and third gears as a starting point for a primitive gear indicator. Call me insensitive, but sometimes I'm not totally sure if I'm in third or second when downshifting for corners. My idea was that I could mount a couple of LED's on the dash as a visual indication when the bike was in either 2nd or 3rd. To check out the feasibility of this I needed to know a bit more so I patched a multimeter into the two circuits and got the following results (note I tried this with in both engine-running and ignition-ready modes):

Red/Yellow wire 1st: 5.3V N: 5.3V 2nd: 0 3rd: 2.6V 4th: 5.3V 5th: 5.3V 6th: 5.3V 

Green/Blue wire 1st: 5.3V N: 5.3V 2nd: 0v 3rd: 0v    4th: 5.3V 5th: 5.3V 6th: 5.3V 

The first impression might be why aren't the voltages either 0 or 12V, but the answer is probably to do with the operative voltage of that part of the the Ignitor electronics. The Blue wire for the Neutral dash light is 12V and all three circuits use the Black/White wire as a reference to earth. My impression is that the gear lever is definitely used by the Ignitor unit to detect 2nd & 3rd gears, but not being an electronics engineer, it makes my gear indicator a bit trickier than I'd first imagined. I'm sure it can be made to work but I'll have to refer to some work colleagues for the gen. I have a feeling there could be some transistors involved. Like most other posters on this issue, I've found that the wire that runs between the gearbox and plastic connector shell is Red/Black rather than the manual's Yellow/Black (so on my bike, a Red/Black wire comes from the gearbox switch to join a Red/Yellow wire at the connector). The Red/Yellow and Green/Blue wires definitely buzz out to the Ignitor as per the wiring diagram. My bike is an E-24 Australian spec; we have drive-by exhaust noise regs so I suspect Suzuki employ the retarding circuitry for this market. I don't want to start a war here, but I have to say that Mark's idea about a single Pink wire is possibly some sort of hangover from the old RGV250 days. There's no Pink wire on the E-24 that I can find, that's not to say it doesn't feature in other markets. Regards, Geoff

Geoff why aren't you out riding? it's summer down there isn't it ;-) God I miss the sunshine. Seriously, sounds like an interesting project, let us know how you get on. If anyone has some suggestions on how to construct this device, then I'm sure Geoff would like to hear from you.

Anyone know of a frame specialist in the northwest preferably Wigan/Bolton area or likewise? I slid my SV last year and only recently had time for a bit of a strip down and clean me bits etc (No jokes pls) Found that the rear subframe was slightly off centre so, had a good ole gander at everything, and the engine is ever so slightly off to the left by only a couple of mm's. ..... on closer inspection of the main frame it became apparent that the job lot is out, not by much but enough for me to feel bit iffy with it when banking over. As the bike doesn't feel centred any more. So does anyone have any exp with any garages that have a frame jig? What price might I be looking at? And any suggestion's would be appreciated. TIA. Stu.

So that tumble did more that scratch the exhaust, just goes to show that it doesn't always take much. I can't help Stu much on this other than point to MCN and the specialists section. Any help appreciated.

John, I hope this finds you well. Attached are some pics of early "Version II" work on my SV. I mentioned in my last message that I was going to be making an MV replica tank. Well, here's the beginning of it. Take one MV tank and airbox (now where'd that come from...?) and take a fiberglass mold of them. Use the mold to make a prototype fiberglass tank, make it fit (yikes...!) then make a mold of that. What you see in the pictures is the prototype. I'm a the "make it fit" stage. The finished product will be a carbon/kevlar tank. It's looking pretty good so far. I'll keep you updated as things progress. Ride safely, Chris Baker

I love this project, where will it end?

Hi Steve i have recently read your posting on the site about disengaging the retarder very interesting. I have had a look at the wirers on my sv650sk1 and found the colours to be different [it is a uk spec] the red and green were the same but the red and yellow was red and black on my bike . With this development putting pay to my plans i contacted crescent Suzuki racing they confirmed that there was a retarder on the sv . They say that you can disconnect the two wires you say but if the wires differ in colour then all you need to look for is a pink wire linked to the gearshift. If this is the case then all you need to do is disconnect this and earth it to the frame or any other suitable point on the bike and this will have the same effect. A word of warning be careful of your warranty if you sling your pride and joy down the road.[this type of mod is frowned upon by Suzuki UK] hope this info is of some use to you. Mark Cheers Mark

PS from Mark

Hi John Some more info on the last email i sent you i have been in touch with JHS RACING and they say that this mod may sort out the flat spot at 5000 revs but if you use the ignition advancer that they can supply that costs £18.00 you will see an increase in power across the range of approx 3.5 BHP. As for box hill it would be great to see you all there the trip takes me about 30/40 mins from my house in ascot. Mark. Mark and I were talking about going to Box Hill for this years rideout/annual meet.

Hi John I like many others have asked for information on paint codes. I've tracked down what I believe are all the colours and year they were introduced. It may be worth adding this list to the FAQ's section to aid riders get the right hugger or belly pan. Regards

I'm a bit slack on the paint codes on this site, searching through past pages I usually refer out to the likes of color_rite.com or RS paints for up to date info. I'll add Stu's list to the FAQ section.

n'ayant pas trouvé ces accéssoires sur ton site , je te les envois.je conjugue mon SV suivant mon humeur. c'est ma 38è moto et je retombe en enfance. Salut Vous . Pieriv

According to babel this is 'not having found these accéssoires on your site, I you them envois.je combines my SV according to my mood it is my 38è motor bike and I fall down in childhood. Hello You. Pieriv'

Merci Pieriv - John

Dear John I found your site easily by searching www.altavista.com  and see that you list many dealers who sell parts and accessories for the SV650. We are actually a Triumph dealer in Shepperton, Middlesex but we are also the UK importer of Roadracing, an Italian company who make hand made aluminium custom body parts. I have been doing the same for the Honda Hornet and the Ducati range for quite some time and have a very nice range of SV650 parts. I have an agreement with the Hornets nest web site that all his members will receive 10% discount and would like to offer the same deal to your members. I only have a small amount of stock at present but as the interest increases so will my stock levels, The parts can be ordered through my web site but can be viewed in more detail on the Roadracing site. Please have a look at both sites and let me know what you think, maybe if you like what you see you could add my site to your links list.  I look forward to hearing from you 

Best regards Adam Crowhurst

Jack Lilley Ltd., Vitesse House, Ashford Road, Ashford Common, Middlesex, TW15 1XB

Tel: 01784 254477 Fax: 01784 254488

http://www.jacklilley.com 

I've since been in contact with Adam and worked out a process for claiming discount. I've added the Jack Lilley logo to the services section, clicking on this will present a new page with the details mentioned above and how to obtain the discount. If you have any problems, please contact either Adam or myself. John 

The Retard Ignition article seems solid. A question: Has anybody dyno'd the bike after doing this modification? If I see a significant change, I'll take the plunge; guess most of the other owners will follow suit as well! Thanks for a nicely documented article Steve. Zunkus

I'm not sure the difference will be great, but it might take out that 5000 rpm flatspot. Will try it myself soon. See Articles section for the Ignition retard item.

John, Here's Jason, between Ross and my blue bikes. We're so daft we didn't get a picture with all three of us in it, but then anyone who meets for the first time and ventures out on a wee run in sub zero temperatures, freezing fog and icy roads must be mad! -- wee David

Just to let you know that they're was some very mad SV riders out this Sunday, namely, me (rscosworth), david (wee david) and Jason (banana sheene)

You're all bloody mad! I feel cold just looking at these photos ;-)

Steve George has written a very good article on removing the ignition retarder feature. I've placed it in the Articles sections <-  Thanks Steve.

Hi John was just looking through the web site, very well put together, am well impressed, just a note, wasn't too sure how to place parts for sale, came off my '99 sv 650s in july & spent 2 months in hospital, farmers & Irish roads not a good combination!!!!! anyway i would appreciate it if you would post a small note for me in the for sale section, i have lots of parts for sale, from the clip ons to shock and rear swingarm, or the what's left as 1 lot, the front end is gone from the bottom yoke, and so ir the sub frame, the rest is there more or less, i can be contacted by ph. 00353 86 8225000, or briankeoghan@hotmail.com, thanks for the help. Brian.

For others, who might not be to sure, there is a For Sale board in the forum.

Hello John I send you the photos of the contest of Vallelunga (Rome) of the 08/12/02 classified class OPEN 11°. In the Supertwins we are arrives to you 3°. Thanks of all and good 2003. Ros & Gabry rosmoto visita il ns. sito www.rosmoto.it 

Hey, I am a big fan of your website and was hoping I could get you to post my picture.  I love my sv and would like to see it on the net.  thanks for the consideration and I hope you like it.  thanks also for such a great site. sincerely, Josh

Hi John, There was a London SV meet in December. Several SV's turned up at Soho Square. I took these pictures on the day - i have attached 3 jpegs - I will send a further with 1 more attachment (yahoo only lets me attach 3 pics at a time :( the guy with fluorescent jacket lining is Martin Riley (nickname: "fastmart") The guy (with spectacles) is me - Sheth...(nickname: "r1dood") Thanks, - Sheth.

Bonjour je suis de France, Nice plus precisement, et je souhaiterai que vous publiez dans les images une photo de mon SV. Merci GAAAAAZ.

Firstly, Happy New Year to one and all. 2003 should prove to be an interesting year as the new models start to hit these shores in the spring. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing about peoples feedback on these new machines. Despite the name of this web site, I shall include coverage of both capacities.

I've been thinking for some months about getting some stickers made up for the site. I finally sorted out something with Julian from Axxent (Headlight mesh supplier) and had a small batch made up. I'll be offering these for sale in the next couple of weeks, once I've got myself organised.

My own Sv hasn't seen much action recently mainly due to the office boozing and crappy weather. I did uncover it just after Xmas for a quick run into town. It did look a sorry state. The plan is to give it a good wash and then drag it into the workshop for a good going over. I don't intend to write a restoration article like last year because there isn't much to write about, there's a lot less work to tackle, but I will drop the odd item of interest into 'current data' as seems fit. The main tasks to tackle are the Big service (15K), rusty subframe, touch up the engine paint and replace the front brake hoses. Should keep me busy.

John

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